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I understood "intrusive thoughts" to mean "when you think it's your tulpa but actually it was just your brain fabricating a response that wasn't them"

see above. raw emotion and meaning

it's more like you just "know" what you're thinking

2:31 AM

@Smeer not really

2:31 AM

'typical' intrusive thoughts are along the lines of "what if I jumped off that cliff right now" or "what if I just ran that person over"

No sound, just feeling and understanding, in my experience.

now apply that to a tulpa, instead

can you give me a tulpa example?

people worry if the tulpa will somehow take that seriously and be hurt somehow

2:32 AM

but it doesn't really happen that way

i can attest to that

I understood "intrusive thoughts" to mean "when you think it's your tulpa but actually it was just your brain fabricating a response that wasn't them"

That's just parrotnoia.. I mean parroting.

intrusive thoughts aren't inherently related to tulpas, it's just easy to confuse them with your tulpa speaking if you're not used to the latter

that makes a lot more sense, thanks

Intrusive thoughts is a name given to random ideas and thoughts that you consider intrusive, ie mental imagery, ideas, supposed actions of you or your tulpa like when wonderlanding, etc. that neither you nor they intended for. (edited)

note that, again, intrusive thoughts are very common and normal, and have nothing specifically to do with tulpas

isn't parroting when you do it on purpose? and parrotnoia is when you are afraid you're accidentally doing it? what I was saying was "accepting a fake response" as one guide put it. you have no doubts, but it actually wasn't them.

far as i'm aware, parroting is unnecessary

I'm not sure that's really a thing

2:35 AM

if your brain is "fabricating a response" then you have... something

This sort of question is hard to answer as it requires a concrete definition of what is or is not the communication of a tulpa.

I don't think so.

2:36 AM

I'm comfortable talking about subjective experience for now, for the practical purpose of developing your tulpa

I think a lot of ties it relies upon the assumption that a tulpa is "independently thinking" as two people are independently thinking. A fear of parroting is to say "I fear this is just me making up responses".

So you have the fear of parroting but you know you're not parroting the tulpa, is it parroting?

I think most say "you can't parrot if you aren't trying to"

I feel like that is a contradiction. If you are scared that you are parroting then, on some level, you do not know you are not parroting the tulpa.

2:41 AM

But I think that if you do know you aren't parroting, then it doesn't count as parroting even if you are scared that you are

well to be fair, a lot of the time parrotnoia happens to beginners who don't know parroting can only happen if it's deliberate

Mind is blown reguile

what I was saying was "accepting a fake response" as one guide put it. you have no doubts, but it actually wasn't them Put this out of your mind. It's a very limiting fear. If in doubt, ask your tulpa if they meant to say that.

2:53 AM

Also note that an early developing tulpa that isn't quite vocal yet is likely to say things they don't mean or later change their mind on, just as they (and/or your brain) are experimenting with speaking at all.

don't be predisposed to assume responses are your tulpa, and also don't be predisposed to assume they aren't

2:54 AM

keep an open mind, if it's not clear then yeah just ask them

When u as if it was them

2:55 AM

How can u be sure its them responding to the question so you as them if is them responding to they question from the question

I don't think an intrusive thought would generally answer your question though

In my experience, worry over parroting stems from worry if tulpamancy is legitimate and if the emerging experiences a person is feeling are actually tulpamancy or not. To begin to worry is to begin to have a tulpa. However, to drop all worry and say "assume it's the tulpa" makes tulpamancy lose its legitimacy, in my mind. But to say "assume it is not the tulpa" also makes it much harder if not impossible to continue forward with tulpamancy. It's a sort of catch 22.

not really a catch 22, more like a false dilemma

3:00 AM

you're not forced to make an assumption

How can u be sure its them responding to the question so you as them if is them responding to they question from the question

This is parrotnoia.

3:02 AM

A state of doubt that actually impedes development.

I can't really explain it, but the few times I have gotten what I believe to be communication from my tulpa, I'm confident that it was them. However, when I specifically ask her questions, I never get anything back. I've been wondering what my problem is for awhile. Her being unable to control her communication, to a point, or me being unable to hear on purpose?

You won't always be able to verify 100% your tulpa meant to say something. But you have to at least give them a chance.

There have been times where I get something that I'm pretty sure isn't her, which is what makes me confident about the other times, because those other times feel considerably different. (edited)

well that's good, you're getting some sort of clear sign there

So it's just tough when I try to confirm and we come up empty.

3:04 AM

I'm going to keep going and see how we progress anyway, but I was curious if you guys had any specific thoughts about this.

Ask her why she didnt respnd;]

just keep interacting with her as you've been doing, it'll be easier to understand her once she fully develops vocality

3:07 AM

it isn't a race, if it takes some time that's completely fine

I often hear hosts say they surely heard their tulpa once or twice some time ago but then have not gotten responses since. They swear they know what their tulpa speaking sounds like and so ignore responses that don't sound as real.

3:11 AM

I think that's more of a breakthrough verge and not "This is what I've always sounded like and always will". I think hosts limit their tulpas by expecting their vocalizations to be far clearer than they are at the time capable of.

that seems like a bizarre concept to me. After the first time, how could you not keep talking to them? and how could you not know how to communicate? (edited)

Don't know, but I've heard it well over twenty times over the years.

and yes, that. Our initial communication was clear, but for the most part I'm sure it isn't and shouldn't be expected to be.

mindvoice changes sometimes, that's fairly normal

3:13 AM

maybe beginners aren't told often enough that it can

Never knew that o. O

I think it largely comes down to that the main gauge we have for real is "in the moment feelings". It's super easy to hear something in a single moment, but it is much harder to have moments like that last any sort of duration without a lot of substance driving them

Em's mindvoice still sounds like my own mindvoice

Same with Piano and Tacio

3:16 AM

they sound like the host

3:16 AM

meanwhile I sound like my host on helium and/or crack

3:16 AM

Apollo sounds like Paul McCartney

Oh right can't you give em a voice to use

3:17 AM

And practice

yep

Our mindvoices are basically concrete "us", with only vague hints of actual voice that tends to differ over time.

3:22 AM

We're just so used to talking to each other it's impossible to mistake the thoughts for anyone else.

Us meaning they all sound different?

Yes. Our mindvoice comes with everything "us", from appearance to personality and intent.

3:23 AM

It's the mental equivalent of sound, really.

Makes sense to me

Given our visualization has always been poor and so mind-sound wasn't exactly great either.

3:24 AM

Our voices aren't very pronounced "volume"-wise I suppose, but if we were to hear a similar voice IRL we could say it sounded like us, if that makes sense.

3:25 AM

Usually in music.

I kinda get what you mean, In my experience there is a sort of "inflection" to when a tulpa speaks

The inflection of the voice that should be there is part of all the information that makes up our mindvoice, yeah.

3:26 AM

Basically we experience our voices as if they were totally audible, even though in actuality they aren't.

I think it may be some good advice to say that those having trouble with parroting might do well to focus on and try to better understand the concepts of that sort of inflection

Of course, this is a skill we could work on if we wanted to, like visualization.

3:27 AM

Closely tied to vocal imposition.

And maybe if we could describe it, as a community, to give a more concrete basis from which to judge a tulpa's speech vs that of the host

sometimes tulpas even sound different from their host when speaking with the actual body

Oh, and if it wasn't a given, it's the sort of skill that fades over time without practice.

I have found that stepping away for a time and returning has had beneficial results.

We have had points where our mindvoices were pretty clear, and we've had points where our visualization was passable. But with disuse they go back to their default state of barely there.

But this isn't necessarily a huge duration of time between stepping away and returning

Disuse in the mindvoice sense as in not focusing on the sound part. We still talk just fine.

@Srn347 we do

Ahh, I assumed you were equating the sound part to the "inflection" of thoughts.

our fiance is able to tell who's fronting based on our voice

3:31 AM

for myself, it's pretty obvious when I'm fronting

3:31 AM

as our voice goes to a higher pitch, lol

any advice for differentiating the host's voice from the tulpas'?

3:32 AM

i can hear her clearly, it's just in my own mindvoice

Maybe just your tulpa manifesting themselves in your visualization whenever they want to speak? I dunno

3:32 AM

usually we don't tell by the sound of the voice, but rather the thought behind it